LUCAS ALTETTE ORIGINALS ONLY Taff the Horns, Vintage Car Horn Restoration or Vintage Motorcycle Horn Restoration, Parts for Vintage Vehicles Horns, only if I WISH to sell, Value to Vehicle, Focal & Vocal u can Trade-in or Buy as I wish if available.
I do consider Duds Broken & incomplete DIY ruined ones as part ex.
Restored & available ORIGINALS At time of wriiting, Changes take place ALL THE TIME.
Lucas 6V 8H, x Currently sold.
Lucas Altette HF 317 = 1930 to 1934 12Volts x 1 & 6 Volts x 1 £210 Each plus Postage
Lucas Altette HF 934 = 934 to 1940 £210 .. ..
Lucas Altette HF 1234 1938 to 1948 ast iron Body 6v & 12V
ONE 6v WITH VINCENT 1000 TERMINAL ARRANGEMENT..
ONE lucas ALTETTE 1949 TO 51 6V Sold.
ONE Only Lucas Altette 1938 to 1948 6V Now Available £170 Plus Postage.
2 X pOST 1951 lucas ALTETTES, ONE AS PER GOLD STAR ONE AS OTHER FORM ONE 6V ONE 12V.
A PAIR of KLAXON Kifo 6V plus Pair of 1 x Lucas & I x P&H rebuilt BULB HORN jobs also 2 lightweight Alloy Clearhooters Mid 20s late30;s plus some various Cowey items which do not have perfect sounds. but are SUPERB in appearance.
ONE CLEARHOOTERS 180A As ABOVE IN 12V CONVERSION CAN BE SUPPLIED WITH NEW CORRECT VELOCETTE 180/2 BRACKETS, SEVERAL OTHERS WITH POSSIBLE TRADE INS AGAINST THEM, ALWAYS CHECK FIRST WITH TAFF BEFORE ATTEMPTING TO PURCHASE.
Every now and again I get the univited call from a know all, I just had contact from an SOS owner ALAN CURTIS who did not understand why Bosch horns went on SOS into 1939, I explained that was a German horn from Stuttgart and there was a war started at that time with Germany, he insisted no that it was the Luxury horn for the machine.
Then he confided in me that he was about to place a small modern tweeter horn inside the old body, laboriously I explained that when a small tweeter is installed in a large body, that the flux dissipates & VERY LITTLE SOUND GETS SENT FROM THE TINY POLE PIECE COIL AS A RESULT. .
MR ALAN CURTIS THEN ACTUALLY THREATENED ME THAT HE WILL TELL ALL HIS FRIENDS NOT TO CONTACT ME, GOOD , I DO NOT WANT CONTACT WITH ANYONE REMOTELY LIKE HIM
HORNS SHOWN HERE CAN BE PURCHASED WHEN AVAILABLE< CONTACT TAFF IF YOU HAVE TRADE-IN or TO FIND POSTAGE TO YOUR LOCATION. The only place wheryou can Locate ansd obtain Original 1920's & 1930s Horns restored to this condition.
Top Pic Below is for the P&H Klaxon Kifonet & Prima items Franchised Worldwide for German French Czechoslovakian, Dutch Belgian Spanish American Motorcycles and cars, these were made for Klaxon.& obtainable anywhere Motorcycles were sold.
I have nothing against the Repro items or origins, & if you want to put a Rickshaw hooter on a Brough Superior, or if it is all which can be obtained or afforded, go ahead, ORIGINAL items will eventually go out to where they can be appreciated & even trade-ins can be dealt with over these..
Some Trumpets being Nickel Coated at Present & for 1920's 1930's Machinery such as Brough Superior & ALL BRITISH, EUROPEAN, plus USA PRODUCED MACHINES.
Next, LUCAS or P&H Bulb Horn, much of which has to be remade to get good sound mounting items to suit old bikes available reasonably, here, not many survived usably.
Blue Background pic. gives you an Idea on Top line showing Lucas types which from 1932 to 1963 had 5 sorts of fronts & 5 types of bodies so those guys selling expensive sweat shop Horns folks which look pretty Cheap in pics. by producing a cheap 'nearly' known as a Reprotte & calling it a Repro which is reliably said to last around 9 months (if you are lucky) are doing fine but do not seem to replace or repair them & those REPROTTES do not even keep light rain out.....
Bottom line in Blue Pic. shows Clearhooters 180/2 which looks close to Lucas form & Sizes however Lucas Altette does not fit Clearhooters 180/2 brackets or Vice Versa into a Lucas 700168 Bracket. 3 x Domes types, Tone discs, Studs, Brackets, Bezels, Terminals of 12V & 6V Coils for many plus Gaskets Rubber Bulbs Reeds, for Most, also Bezels Gaskets Alloy discs for even the larger Lucas Alto are usually available here for Austin Healey & Jaguar. Even Terminal pins for Lucas are pretty unique as well as the Nuts Properly used to fasten Altettes to brackets are Smaller across flat 3/8" so smaller spanners can be used not to take paint from Body there, the Nut has flat base to sit PROPERLY onthe Spring washer & its top side to have a bevelled edge.
Nowadays they do not make these types & STD 1/4" Custom nuts are NOW MUCH LARGER ACROSS THE FLATS & the lads wonder why the paint comes off the body.
Hi & yes I used to ride Solos JAP Plus various Sidecar outfits here is my very Last ride, & yes I was winning again at Carmarthen Park just to walk away & brag about it.
That Machine leading is under myself and the late great Kenjo, Ken Jones without whom I wd have won nothing, that machine I recovered after again it had been living in a pile of Scrap in Ceredigion when myself & Janet had been living at Dubai for 10 years, the machine was found & by John Reeves & was actually given back to me by him, it is still not pretty & lives near the bar in my front room, never ridden, it has been there once.
(YES to my shame there is no hooter on Taff the Horns's Bilke!}
Initially the frame was found in a crashed mangled state at a Neville's Dock Scrapyard at Llanelli, bought for a tenner from Myer Davies there who gloatingly thought he was ripping me well off .
HENCE: My thanks to Morfa Scrapyard man, Mr. Myer 'Hooter Schnozzle' of Egypt Davies who sucessfully had his nose reduced professionally & economically albeit not by a local beautician!. several scrap totters would have cheerfully altered his appearance with pleasure. (seriously though the chap was not at all bad).
The Machine was built by Owen Greenwood for me & with a Methanol Triumph motor, fairly successfully raced & now rests!. in my front room!.
email@example.com can be used to reach me.
Horns from here are restored with new Wax Impregnated Gaskets, all traces of Rust removed, antirust coating applied internally.
REINFORCEMENT TO TERMINALS INTERNALLY, only snag is I choose whom I will work for & rush nothing..
Stainless Studs used to hold Terminal Blocks, New Fillister where Points are held by such, new Stainless Washers, plus the CORRECT sized nuts (Chromed) which were used on LUCAS items to allow smaller spanners to be used causing less damage to adjacent Horn casing paint when fitting to brackets.
There are many different types of LUCAS ALTETTES from 1930 to 1963, always better to have what was fitted to your machine than a Foreign device which does not last long or even resemble any particular period type.
Yes I will take trade in horns if I can accept after viewing pictures of such.
LUCAS ALTETTES & Other Broken Dud & Incomplete Vintage Horns Wanted & bits swapped too.
PARTS for AUSTIN HEALEY 100/6 AUSTIN HEALEY 3000, Also Jaguar 140 & 150 plus (I think some MG Parts).
The Gaskets Discs & Bezels plus the Brackets parts Fit most of the LUCAS ALTO.
LUCAS ALTO WAS ALSO FITTED ON MANY PRE WW2 VEHICLES& THE GASKETS PLUS DISCS & GASKETS PLUS BRACKET PARTS FIT THOSE FROM 1930 to 1965+.
LUCAS ALTO Not Altette > ALTO IS LARGER DIA THAN ALTETTE, WE NOW HAVE GASKETS READY TO SELL FOR THESE ALONG WITH TONE DISCS GASKET SETS PLUS BRACKET PARTS..
NEW STRONGER BEZEL MAZAK ALLOY BEZEL FOR AUSTIN HEALEYS 100 100/6 & 3000 & JAGUAR ZK140 ZK 150 plus the Gaskets shown are £2.80 Each individually plus Postage & they fit all Lucas Alto from 1930 & will cover a hoard of Vehicles.
4 Piece KIT FOR YOU TO REPAIR LUCAS NEW ALTO BRACKET, ABOVE THAT IS A REPLACEMENT ALLOY DISC FOR NEW ALTO HORNS. (Larger than ALTETTES @ 3.5" Inches OD>. Here at £4.85 PLUS POSTAGE, ASK FIRST. for 4 layers each MUST BE plus Postage.... The Parts of these Brackets are not welded together & they can come loose without much trouble!!
...........................................................................................................................BEWARE on ebay
There is one item advertised as LU703349 (Cranked} on ebay!!! In 40 Plus years I have never seen one, nor do I know anyone who has seen one. ie a 700168 Lucas which Bracket which has been bent in 4 Places,
People assembling a BSA Twin S/A machine often when fitting a Horn find the Terminals touch the frame when they are put as they should be, an actual Lucas horn for a BSA Twin, or Single, or Plunger or Rigid from 1938 WAS a 703349 Cranked one without a Doubling plate as you can see at Top Right Below, AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
It was USA Purchasers wanting to fit Horns could not understand that a a small Spacer went behind the 700168 Bracket on the nearside Exhaust stud..... to fit the bracket properly on the nearside Crossframe stud for the 700168 Bracket a small spacer has to be fitted, Homer Simpson must have designed the 4 x Cranked one. = Doh!.
The Crossframe stud would appear to be TOO LONG without a bracket & spacer on it and some genius worke out that the Bracket was the unshown LIGHTER Angled bracket used on machinery inc WD from 1938 to 1947/8. Amazing what a guy in a shed can discover, or nearly do so. The fact that guys buy these mystery brackets does amuse many.
NEW ALTO OR ANY OF THE WT WINDTONE SNAIL HORNS, ALL TEND TO BEND OR FRACTURE THEIR MOUNTING LAMINATES & ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS SPLIT THE MOUNTING ENDS & REUSE THE ROUND PARTS, THEN BOLT IT TO THE HORN FOR IT TO LAST YEARS INTO THE FUTURE 4 LAMINATES COST £16 & POSTAGE, I had to make some, so some over if you wish.
Top left below is a Repro item. available here for £14.60 & £3.70 Postage only to UK u can buy by PAYPAL button, > Europe Australia America postage wd be at added £8 uninsured. (due to parcel thickness) Button covers only UK Postage, contact me FIRST if u require it sent OUTSIDE UK & 'elsewhere'.
Mid left is a post 1951 reinforced bracket with enlarges catapult metal amount.
Bottom right shows the Pre 1951 Angle Bracket albeit with the doubler end chopped by some Genius.
Bottom left shows Parts if you wish to assemble yourself only 2 available at pres.
Top RIGHT is the Pre 1940 to 1947/8 type used with Ex WD as well whenever available £16.00 here none spare here at present.
Klaxon Miller CLAXONS TOETERS HORNS HUPEN Stadium Clayrite Clarion Stadium Sound P&H Powell & Hanmer Delco Remy Sparton Stewart Warner Simms Acumen Lucas Argus Argonaut Laboratories Jaeger Cowey
HI, THIS ATLANTIC BULB BOX is an absolutely rare accessory for an old Vintage vehicle, no good to me!, it fascinates me & I'd love it to go to some vehicle which deserves it.
It belongs to a friend so I shall put it here & if you care to make an offer, I will get back to you.
The Atlantic Bulb Box. Spare bulb storage box for all makes of classic or vintage car that use bulbs shaped like hot air balloons! This box is made of pressed brass lined with blue material to protect the bulbs.
There are spaces for 2 headlight bulbs and 3 tail lights. It is in reasonable condition with no serious dents, but will need re-lining if you intend to use it.
An interesting period accessory which might earn you a few more concourse points if displayed in the car.
Austin, Morris, MG, Riley, Sunbeam, Jaguar, Rolls, Bentley, Lagonda, Alvis, Allard, Armstrong Siddeley Daimler ExWD Willys Ford Jeeps etc.
SEASONAL GREETINGS TO ALL< LETS' SEE WARS< NATURAL DISASTERS FLOODS FIRES TSUNAMIS DROUGHTS PLUS RACE & RELIGIOUS CONFLICT ELIMINATED. I CAN BUT HOPE!!!
ISDT Fresh Release Largest Archive content known, the entire website on CD to be used in your PC or Laptop anywhere, no Wifi then needed.
MORE THAN equivalent of Well over 100 magazines on ISDT from 1910 42 large website pages with a huge content.
:-If you would like a LIMITED ISSUE (numbered) CD of the ISDT International Six Days Trials Held here in WALES from 1933 to 1954 ARCHIVE compiled by myself you can obtain OVER 1200 pictures in website size of ISDT pictures from as far back in some cases as 1913 & earlier plus post WW2 tales raised in 15 yrs of extensive plus expensive research here @ £20 per CD plus Postage £2.50 it contains covering text tales & facts with rare genuine original images.
THIS CD PLUS THE ONE BELOW CAN BE USED IN A PC AT SCHOOL CLUB OR ANWHERE YOU WISH TO REACH THIS WEBSITE FROM AS LONG AS YOU HAVE CHARGED BATTERY OR SUPPLY! OR LAPTOP JUST AS IF YOU WERE ONLINE AND HAS THE NAVIGATIONAL TOOLS TO USE ANYWHERE WITHOUT WIFI>
NB This has recently been taken by the National Library of Wales as a Unique Historic Document.
LIMITED EDITIONS CD too Similarly 1920 onwards from Races in Wales at Pendine etc with circa 360 images including Land Speed Records attempts, many Races we found to be largely wrong in that published Pendine Races Book.
Gower plus Carmarthen & Swansea Bay Sands were Raced upon far more than PENDINE, Fairwood Airport of the 1950's had Stirling Moss racing a Welsh Designed Car, along with massed Motorcycle Races, Aberavon Beach from 1929, Broughton Bay 1927 Clyne Valley 1930's, Pembrey (Cefn Sidan) Beach 1927, Penclawdd's 1966 race track plus 16 Wrecks foundering there on one calm 1800's night. Carmarthen Park Speedway from 1930's after motorcycle raced there on the World's First Velodrome in 1902/3, again JAP Vincent Brough Superior Excelsior Zenith McEvoy Norton BSA Rudge Velocette Scott Ariel AJS Matchless DMW Francis Barnett & there are even rare pics of the Italian ISDT Team at Eppynt TT Course in 1949 ISDT Speed Trial. Sertum MV Agusta Moto Guzzi Morini Moto Rumi BMW DKW CZ MZ CSEPEL JAWA Zundapp Heysink Puch Douglas Gold Star BSA Ariel Bultaco Penton Hercules Sachs, BSA BANTAM even, all these rare pics with riders backup tales too are on the CD's.
COST £20 ea plus £2.25 Postage within UK.
LUCAS original terminal pins shown below are the type used in LUCAS horns from 1930's to 1960's Pairs are available at £3.30 per pair plus postage to your location.
Sadly these are old prices & they change the wrong direction for enthusiasts!,the shown types of terminals use these and 2 of the pins shown in the pic are actually ORIGINAL ones, you can see them if u look very closely!, these are of course British Made.
The Brackets in Stainless Steel, laser cut for Lucas 8H horns are what I use oftern rather than the thin & normally rusted original brackets. £8.00
If anyone needs to be sure what LUCAS produced from 1930 to 1939 on CD a catalogue of Parts.
£3.50 for a Copy of mine, plus Postage, roughly £3 to USA £6.85 to Europe £3.50 to UK.
I do take Paypal.
Pic Below of the several types & changes to LUCAS 8H CURRENTLY AVAILABLE, later ones had no front central dome. Probably last batch I shall have. ALL ARE 6 Volts the 3 at Right hand side are adjusted to use 12v, NOT FOR LONG SOUNDING these 3 work well but use at your own risk.
WELL ABOVE is selection of Lucas 8H, the 2 listed as 12V have altered settings to 6V types originally, as result although functioning well have to be purchased at your own risk, others are 6V. Costs for each whilst they last are £95 plus Postage. (NONE LEFT AT PRESENT) all antirust coated within, working I make the Central domes plus the Brackets are made in Stainless steel & are a great option against the easily fractured original steel ones.
SHOWN ONWARD HERE IS A SELECTION OF A COLLECTION, VIRTUALLY ALL HOOTERS PARTS CAN BE TRADED OR SWAPPED HERE FOR CORRECT RESTORED ORIGINALS FOR YOUR MACHINE, EVEN BROKEN, INCOMPLETE OR DUD HORNS CAN BE TRADED IN AGAINST ITEMS YOU MAY WISH TO OBTAIN< NATURALLY ANY ITEM CAN ALSO BE SOLD, Tel:Taff the Horns, UK 01792 233763, or 0044 1792 233763 better still email XXXlynn.firstname.lastname@example.org you must DELETE the XXX part of that email address, (done to avoid spammers.) THE SITE is developing, it will alter frequently. Lucas Bezel at top left now available at £19.50 PLUS POSTAGE this comes with new wax impregnated gasket.
Restoring a Lucas Altette IF ACCEPTED IN works out around £185 plus postage.
New unpainted Rippled steel Tone Disc £5.90 Set of 6 Stainless Steel Studs (2 x 1/4" BSF & 4 x1BA) £12.80 ASK POSTAGE FIRST>.
Flat alloy tone Disc £4.85. ALL ITEMS YOU MUST ASK POSTAGE COST TO YOUR LOCATION BEFORE TRYING TO PURCHASE.
Set of HEXAGON section Chromed brass Domes for these £18.85 also includes front centre dome plus Stainless Spring Washers & chromed original size Lucas bracket nuts as well. AGAIN ASK POSTAGE BEFORE TRYING TO PURCHASE.
Later set of 6 chromed dome pins with washers plus Lucas old size nuts to suit £18.85 ASK POSTAGE FIRST BEFORE TRYING TO PURCHASE PLEASE.
Centre front dome 9/16 32 TPI Chromed nuts (3 types) £3.95 each, set of 4 gaskets for Lucas Plus Clearhooters £3.85.
FLUTED CHROMED 6x 1/4" BSF 1930's Dome Nuts £22.85, Tufnol Terminals Triangles, with Stainless retaining pin stronger than original £6.85
2 types of coils as seen in pic) 6 volts or 12 Volts coils £ now (ouch @£24.00 PLUS POSTAGES TO UK EURO OR WORLDWIDE RANGES FROM UK @£4.85 UP TO £12,55 WORLDWIDE Original LUCAS ALTETTE size pair of chromed nuts with stainless steel spring washers £3.50 PLUS Postage extra.
Clearhooters 180/A 2BA set of 6 stainless Steel std pins with stainless spring washers & Nyloc nuts £10.80.
PayPal accepted. Velocette Big singles Used CLEARHOOTERS 180/A HORNS with Miller Electrical System NOT LUCAS. A batch presently being worked on can be seen below.
The laugh is that some poor 'repro' producer had Goofed by sending the wrong brackets to get COPIED for Lucas, (He found out the proper ones after delivery & payments were made!) Sold on ebay as LUCAS 700168 BRACKETS they are not atall like LUCAS ones but are the longer Clearhooters 180/2 ones, even advertised on EBAY as Lucas 700168, the poor guy has to get rid of them, & seems to be pushing them to unsuspecting enthusiasts is being done by several ebay dealers who do know, but do not care as long as they get paid.
Check the sizes & types & shapes in the picture.
REAL LUCAS 700168 BRACKETS HERE @ £17.00 each, cost for Right Angle Bracket for Lucas Altette to replace Lucas 700347 or later Lucas 701686 Parts, £14 you can purchase by Paypal.
The ORIGINAL 'oddlegs' Lucas 703185 of Royal Enfield is £14 only when available here
Sunbeam S7 & S8 brackets £14.50 here. ALWAYS ASK POSTAGE BEFORE TRYING TO PURCHASE PLEASE.
Above BRACKETS is of Clearhooters & Miller & Wipac brackets.
Its almost as good as the Guy in the Arctic Radioing out for Supplies, and a week later saw a supply plane launching a huge crate for him on Parachute, the Crate landed & the Radioman desperate for supplies crowbarred the lid off, then a Circus Clown stood up in the crate yelling "Surprise" to him.
The unfortunate guy radioing out had to contact his base again to get his order a little more clearly understood!.
A B C D. BELOW is a Mixture of Lucas and Clearhooters types, A & C are LUCAS, B & D are Clearhooters shapes & sizes. The DEALERS CAN STILL NOT TELL WHICH IS PROPER LUCAS 700168 + WHICH IS CLEARHOOTERS 180/2.
The Altette & Clearhooters horns can not be squeezed into either or interchanged, Due to a Different profile Curve, a different plan Profile, Clearhooters 180/2 is slightly longer plus the Horn fasteners are thin 2BA HOLES on Clearhooters & MUCH LARGER 1/4" BSF HOLES on Lucas so if you are daft enough to drill the 2BA out to take 1/4" BSF Clearhooters bracket has much less metal,& breaks easily often.
This saga extends after a well known hopeful English dealer sent a Clearhooters Sample away to Asia for a huge copy batch to be made, Mr. Genius found he had sent the wrong one & had a huge amount back which got quietly outed to Dealers with limited knowhow or a hope to sell 'apparent' real ones cheaply.
Subsequently Botched & drilled 180/2 still abounds for sale on ebay, dealers can never tell which is which and being stuck with them they still sell them cheaply to the enthusiasts.
Any twit can make a mistake ! but this twit has made quite few and the enthusiasts actually pay for them. They are still wrongly advertised on ebay by Trojan Classics down in Australia.
The Pic above shows A LUCAS post 1953/4 type ALTETTE Bits usually available here & AS PER ORIGINAL FOR GOLD STAR BSA's Norton Panther AJS Matchless Royal Enfield PLUS POST 1954 inc LUCAS ALTETTES< YOU PROBABLY NEED THIS TYPE/SET CONSISTS OF WHAT IS NEEDE TO UPGRADE AN EXISTING WORKING ALTETTE.
PLUS ONE OF THE 3 TERMINALS TRIANGLE SHOWN IN PIC> KITS & COSTS Shown on another page, all Postage listed is for within UK subject to costs fluctuation & outside UK you wd have to add the differences.
For just Lucas Altettes alone these, those shown below are cast iron bodied from 1937,
Pressed steel bodied HF317 & 318 not shown is from 1931 HF934 plus 935 from early 1935 & Both types have FLUTED DOME NUTS. There are HF 310 & 311 etc from earlier periods.
LUCAS ALTETTES> with oldest at the top listed as HF1234 were used on different models machines different period from 1937 to 1962 inc so Repro items can not quite make your machine look as it should. That Alloy MAZAK Bezel shown bottom left is a quite scarce item now due to it's fragility, it does aid originality, machine value plus reality differences though. If you have even a dud broken or wrong ALTETTE for your machine you could trade it in against the real thing. (A few dollars more than Repro or even less in some cases)
This shows results of using present stock of Lucas Altette Parts used in restorations here, ABJ AJS AJW Ambassador Ariel BAC Baughan Bown Brough Superior BSA Calthorpe Chater-Lea Corgi Cotton Coventry Eagle DMW Dot Douglas EMC Excelsior Federal Francis Barnettt Greeves Grindley Peerless James Levis Matchless Montgomery New Hudson New Imperial Norman NORTON OEC OK-Supreme Panther Raleigh Royal Enfield Rudge Scott Stevens Sun Sunbeam Tandon Triumph Velocette Vincent-HRD Zenith BMW DKW Zundapp Kreidler JAWA FM Harley Davidson Indian Henderson etc, hooter bits here plus Cars items for Hispano Suiza Daimler Rolls Royce Bentley Daimler MG Riley BSA Morgan Austin Healey Morris Humber Hillman Alvis Lagonda Armstrong Siddley Vauxhall Ford. If you would like batches of Metal Spun Items contact me and I shall revert, similarly if you require Lasercut or machined parts I'm sure I could find a source to quote for what you need.
The Actual Logo shows at the head of this page 3 types of Horns often confused by enthusiasts. Top left shows the HF 1234 Lucas Altette with a steel ripple disc for Swinging arm BSA and other post 1954 machines, top right is an earlier also HF 1234 Lucas Altette 1939 to 1953. both use the LUCAS 700168 Bracket. Lower item is the Clearhooters 180/A Some enthusiasts try to use the Clearhooters 180/2 Bracket as used on Velocettes with the Clearhooters 180/A horn used on Miller Systems machines, the 180/2 is longer, has a different profile & does not truly accept a Lucas item since the metal holes have to be opened weakening the bracket. Neither Lucas horn or Clearhooters bracket is really interchangeable for the other. The picture below shows CORRECT ORIGINAL horns for Velocette Venom Viper MAC MSS & K series road machines as examples. Just above the Clearhooters 180/A is the STAINLESS STEEL SET OF 2BA REPLACEMENT FASTENERS which are exactly the pins originally fitted., These sets come at £12.50 & Postage, the BSF 3/8" chromed domes for Clearhooters & Wipac 180/A cost £4.80 plus Postage. YOU MUST ASK POSTAGE COSTS FIRST.
Top pic Views of Clearhooters 180/A Horns ABOVE are the ones used on Swinging Arm Velocettes & others using Miller & Wipac Systems from 1936 & will show differences between these and Lucas ALTETTE!, The shorter Bracket down is the type to be used on Girder Forks Velocette & earlier rigid ones with Dowty. Paint finish used on Horns with Clearhooters is crinkle finish plus those parallels at the rear casing sides are the reason they do not get accepted in Lucas Brackets or vice versa. Clearhooters 180/2 Brackets shown are used on Velocettes swinging arm machines, earlier girder forks Velocettes & some Dowty equipped Velocettes used a shorter bracket mounted at nearside lower Steering head & BOTH TYPES PLUS LUCAS ARE STOCKED HERE. (I use Stainless Steel cheese head BEZEL pins to replace the brass chromed ones which are often found in use to be too weak.)
Where & when MILLER SYSTEMS are on machines (Douglas Draganfly which used black not chrome fronts) plus pre WW2 & 1945 1946 Royal Enfields, Velocettes from 1936 AJS 1949 Ariel Plunger suspension Twins Machines plus Vincent HRD & Brough Superior Montgomery Stevens Excelsior Zenith & many more on Miller Systems, there were no dome head pins like Lucas around the Bezel & a great many Clearhooters even had the centre dome nut coated in wrinkle finish paint. (Thanks to Brian May [not the Queen guitarist!] of Cheshire for the Pic)
These Clearhooters would be fitted not LUCAS, the items shown here can be sold or trade part ex your old one in, whether dud incomplete or possibly of a different type or make.
Below (on the left)we see the Lucas 701639 later 703396 Bracket as used on Sunbeam S7 & S8 plus the Morris Minor Split Screen car and even the undercarriage locking warning horn on the Canberra Aircraft (24 Volts), look closely & you will see the Clearhooters bracket on the right (for Douglas Dragonfly etc) has smaller 2BA holes to be opened out if u try to fit Lucas's 1/4" BSF fasteners, along with the inner curve difference, this leaves less metal & the breakage is FAR more frequent.
These two LUCAS ALTETTE, in the picture immediately below are just finished, tested & put online, original items for post 1953 Ariel AJS BSA Gold Star plus others inc. Panther Norton Matchless, one has been made in 12 Volts form for converted machines and the other 6 Volts, can accept duds incomplete & broken or wrong ones, these will be online until sold. The correct LUCAS 700168 for BSA Gold Star etc & fasteners used are in the picture. THE OTHER 3 DIFFERENT TYPES OF Fronts for THE VERY SAME PERIOD FOR DIFFERENT MACHINE MODELS ARE IN THE PICTURE BELOW IT. The Flat Disc goes on Rigid & Plunger BSA etc & the rippled steel disc one on Swinging Arm BSA Machines, with no LUCAS ALTETTE stamped on the Bezel all used in 1955. (see BSA 1955 Catalogue)
One Only shown below of a finished Vincent 1000 Original horn converted to 12 Volts with the correct Lucas 700168 Bracket, (£195.50 for hooter £15.50 for bracket, plus postage) this works well & is antirust coated inside. Your own hooter whatever state would be considered as trade in for this. The lower of the 2 pics above above shows the rear as per spares list and the frontal view is in the darker picture above it, some stainless fittings (studs) have been used. THE VINCENT 1000 is the only one of the ALTETTES which has the terminals at 12 o'clock position, all other Altettes are for 6 o'clock terminals. (SEE PERIOD VINCENT 1000 SPARES LIST BELOW)
These Domes for HF 317 & HF 934 Lucas Altette 1930 to circa 1949 Fluted Domes 1/4" BSF Plus the LUCAS HF 1441 horn Brackets, the Pre 1945 WD BSA M20 Brackets and the later LUCAS 6H Bracket, which is made here slightly thicker & stronger than orig. ones which tend to break.
BRACKETS? CONTACT ME FIRST TO GET POSTAGE COSTS UK EURO & USA etc all changes often.
The 3 pics immediately above show the front & rear view of a Genuine 1930 to mid 1930's LUCAS ALTETTE HF 317 (Chromed 318) with restored original moving coil internals, 12 Volts one shown (with 2 types of the fitting pins to attach it to it's bracket, antirust coated inside with new wax paper gaskets it makes that inimitable 'period' sound. This goes on MG Riley & Morgan plus BSA & other cars or can be used on machines converted to 12 Volts since the 6 Volts 317 was exactly the same in appearance, you will note this with it's brass specification plate etc. is far nicer than the Asian made repro currently being offered, there is perhaps nothing really like the real thing?. This is the rear view of the only genuine one remaining here POA. the 934 Lucas from 1935 onwards also used these Period Domes still available here whilst stock lasts @ £22.80 per set plus Postage £3.40 within UK.
These are (top right) an original 6 Volts LUCAS 1140 as fitted to BSA Royal Enfield New Imperial from 1936 to 1939 & Rudge in 1936. (top left is the Original 12Volts version produced in that period, now for use on electrical systems converted to 12 Volts.
The Lower 2 are Lucas HF 1441 post WW2 which have the castings carrying a "C1 to C9" marking on all 1440 & 1441 bodies (only to identify the casting line when produced) these 2 shown are converted to work on 12 Volts. these were used in 6 Volts form on Ariel Douglas Triumph AJS Matchless Norton & Triumph plus Vincent 'D' series plus inside BSA machines after 1958 with Nacelles after the "Frog's head headlamp assembly, these items here are the last in stock POA.
The SMALLER 2 Silver ones at upper left are Lucas 8H which came in to relace the Lucas HF 1441 1959/60 Black Chunk you can see at lower left, LUCAS 8H 6Volts when available here are £95 plus postage or £86 & Post for restoring a item sent in to be restored. Right, Lucas HF 1849 was on the Royal Enfield Crusader & Meteor Minor & such again until replaced with that little silver Lucas 8H, chrome trimmed restored Lucas HF 1849 are scarce & one only here at pres @ £96 plus postage. (Black 12Volts LUCAS HF 1849 were standard original horns on Austin Healey Sprite 'Frogeyes') Most can be altered to cope with 12 Volts where needed, naturally it takes work. POA) Voltage alterations there can not be subject to Warranty. BELOW YOU CAN SEE THE ONES BEING RESTORED HERE< SOME ARE ALREADY ORDERED & SHALL GO OUT WHEN FINISHED, there is always a waiting list.
Top left you see one original restored 6Volts Clearhooters Horn for LE Velocette, the other 2 are AS YET UNRESTORED ones for 40's to& 1950's 2 strokes Villiers & BSA Bantam de Luxe & Velocettes large singles which were equipped with engine & gearbox fairing as well as Triumph T20 & T15 Cub & Terrier along with the smaller range of Velocette Valiant Vogue Viceroy etc etc. THE BRACKETS FOR THE CLEARHOOTERS HORNS AMOUNT ROUGHLY 14 DIFFERENT TYPES, CHECK OUT WHERE & HOW THE ITEM FITS ON YOUR MACHINE & I HAVE ALL THE BRACKET TYPES HERE TO FIT. Below you see restoration underway, (3 have been sold already) The lower picture shows progress & the Chrome is to be added with stainless steel pins & then clear laquer coating on painted parts plus the wires for the ones with internal connections. The Bottom picture shows the finished items, with wires & New Old Stock Rubber Grommets, the top right item in the bottom pic has been prepared for 12 Volts converted machine & is not a 'PUSH INTO RUBBER GROMMET TYPE'.
Two aluminium LUCAS 5H, horrid squeaky things but quite rare. The Upper Black one is a Lucas 6H, not for a motorcycle but for Mini Minors etc, the terminals at rear must not be single ones, (the single is for earth return on cars, so remember to have 2 terminals for use on bikes or when you wire it up it will simply sound away). 12V with bracket Lower black item is the Clearhooters HF 80 FOR BSA & TRIUMPH Triples plus BSA & Triumph Twins & singles of the triple cylinder era.
Brackets Below also used on 60's 70's BSA Norton & Triumphs using Lucas 6H Horns. Blowed if I know which though, these were for Mike Allen's rebuilds of the NEC Burned machines.
Above u can see 3 different post WW2 period types of ORIGINAL LUCAS Altette bodies, there also are 4 other DIFFERENT types of fronts to add to these (without the 4 types of different pre WW2 Altettes in shapes threads, materials plus forms).
Restorers purchasing "Repro" are basically stuck with trying to find "Repro which????".
As you well know, imitations of original paintings & works of fine art are far less ACTUAL VALUE than true original parts which have been on the real machines and travelled those miles too.
I suppose it is a case of what you can or even care to afford to actually bring originality to your machine and it's resale value, or use Asian items you hope nobody knows or notices which however are not really even copies, just vague low quality cheap lookalikes, you will VERY rarely find a Repro dealer taking original bits in as trade ins whereas here, enough traded in plus exchanged dud and broken bits get you the real thing restored thing of originality & value. Nothing like the real thing or so I am told?, 'even cheaper in some cases than "Repro".
Up to you what you want, plenty of repro out there but real originals are always far scarcer & better to improve investment machine/vehicle value in years to come.
British items, British Restored which were on the Brit. Bikes 0riginally are really an option.
Fitting 'foreign' down in price items which are cheap labour produced, not even 'nearlies, in semblance or quality to what is really required.
The option is yours, do you prefer a quality down to price & faint likeness, plus squeaky noise of a REPRO, as they hopefully describe a foreign item to try to adorn a Brit Bike?, OR THE REAL THING? look at the different types from the batch now being finished, a few dollars more & you get real ones with opportunity to trade in yours broken & duds against it, I know of nobody that repairs 'Repro' items, they rust inside & out RAPIDLY. (SEVERAL HAVE BEEN SENT HERE FOR REPAIRS & honestly found them to be not worth repairing)
The top ones show the front plus rear differences of late 1937 Altettes HF 1234 onwards to their 1951 end of production.
Next down is the 1949 to 1951 model HF 1234 (Model spec. AGAIN)which without warning on occasions wd carry the Mazak Alloy Bezel plus wrinkled paint front disc and 2 piece front dome nut, note the rear body difference. (The Mazak bezel came as a result of Nickel being scarce & Governments needing it as the only filter element for PLUTONIUM!, 'in warhead production until policy changed & the Copper Nickel then Chrome layers could return with motorcyclists hardly knowing why their Chrome reappeared. (The Mazak bezels were used intermittently without warning by Lucas on 1234 & 1235 horns from 1948 to 1953.
The lower 4 show the TRUE types available plus used from post 1953, the ones with steel ripple disc wd be on Swinging Arm BSA & others, & wd have no LUCAS or Altette words on the bezel since this was cheaper to manufacturers plus looked as if they had produced their own part rather than 'bought in'.
Only in 1954 did some bezels get produced with LUCAS ALTETE, these were sold as proprietary items & only appeared on Panthers after being bought 'over the counter' directly, Words Disappeared after 1954.
The Chromed bezels for rippled disc Altettes are normally enthusiast chromed steel bezels which were on Split Screen Morris Minors as non Chromed HF 1235 or other machinery. I hope that clears enthusiasts confusion re Words on some bezels not others.
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